Jaysea Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Your in-game name: Jaysea Staff members name: LingLong Staff member SteamID STEAM_0:0:183373207 Explain what happened: I am relatively new to the server, having only logged about 30 hours in total. So I would assume that a little bit of leeway would be given to my misunderstanding of the rules. I had a textscreen outside my base that said "KOS past fence". Therefore, anybody who walked past the fence would be killed. I was using a PSG to shoot people that walked in, I was basing at a warehouse near white house, as seen in the video, when a player named Voren initiated a party raid. Him and several other players attempted to raid me but failed. Afer that, a player by the name of "ISlapMyNuts" was with others outside my base (I believe this was breaking the 15 minute raid timer as they should seek out other bases, but correct me). SlapMyNuts continued to return to the base among other people and unfortunately while attempting to shoot people I missed and hit SlapMyNuts. SlapMyNuts called a sit on me and LingLong brought me, warning me that, "hey you're going to be perm banned if you don't explain why you've killed so many people", or something similar along those lines. I explained my KOS sign to him and said that I did not mean to kill ISlapMyNuts, and the incident was unintentional. Now LingLong informed me that I had to advert "crossfire" if you accidentally kill someone, but I am not aware of this as I did not see it in the handbook or the server rules. Perhaps I could find it in questions but that is a lot to comb through. After explaining that to me, I apologized to ISlapMyNuts. I said I'll advert crossfire in the future. Now bear in mind I have a clean slate and have no jails or any punishments of the sort, barring a kick for going AFK longer than 90+ minutes. LingLong asked to see both Shadowplay clips and I was going to provide it but I was jailed before I could show it to him. LingLong did not provide me with a warning and instead went straight for the punishment, asking ISlapMyNuts if he would like me to be jailed to which SlapMyNuts said yes. During my jail, my base was raided and my stuff was taken, and there was nothing I could do about it. My base was raided by the same folks who attempted to raid me earlier, although Voren did say he simply watched the raid. It's quite a coincidence that I get jailed then instantly raided again as soon as the 15 minute timer is up. All in all I feel that a simple warning would have been sufficient in the sit, as A) I was unaware of the rule. B) It was unintentional. C) I apologized to the user whom I wronged and did not show any form of disrespect or trouble in the sit, as far as I know. Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc. This is required!) There is no sound in the clips except for the sit. The first clip is where I hit ISlapMyNuts in crossfire at the beginning , but there were about 7 other people in that area and as you can see where I was aiming, that I managed to kill everyone but the guy I was aiming for. I assume this is because of bullet spread but clearly I was not aiming for anybody outside, just the ones inside. You can see the fence outside but unfortunately I don't have proof that the KOS sign was up at that time. However in the sit, further in the video, neither LingLong nor ISlapMyNuts denied that my KOS sign was there so there is reliable corroboration that I did have a sign, in case anybody doubts my case. The second clip is that of the raid at (0:20) where Voren and his friends came in. They had attempted to raid earlier and kept returning to my base and spamming knocks on my door but I ignored it. The third is that of the sit at (3:15) The fourth is me returning to my base after it had been raided at (5:31). Additionally, it shows me pming Linglong asking about the crossfire rule to which he replies at (6:16) In the past, Linglong has attempted to raid me and always failed, so I feel that he did not approach this sit in an unbiased manner and took the side of the raiders. I explained my case and apologized, and have little playtime on the server, although I do try to understand the rules as best as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copton Chill Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 From reading first few lines..Uhh adverting crossfire does not make a rdm legal btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysea Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Copton Chill said: From reading first few lines..Uhh adverting crossfire does not make a rdm legal btw... Well as you can see in the video SlapMyNuts told me that's what I have to do if I accidentally hit someone, additionally at 6:14 LingLong replies and says "crossfire is if u shoot someone but a person gets in the way and dies or gets hurt". Furthermore, LingLong did not correct SlapMyNuts if he is incorrect about adverting crossfire. Obviously I understand you can't just RDM 20+ people and advert "crossfire" and be okay but in this situation I was aiming for people past my KOS sign and unintentionally hit SlapMyNuts. The video clearly shows, as per LingLong's definition that he PM'd me, that SlapMyNuts was affected by crossfire. I did not intentionally kill him outside of the KOS area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverRaptor9328 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I checked the place of death and it was outside the fence. You rdmed him and it isnt my choice to jail you or not it was islapmynuts call. He said he wanted to jail you so I did so accordingly. It was 5 minutes that you deserved to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nota Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, OverRaptor9328 said: -support. I checked the place of death and it was outside the fence. You rdmed him and it isnt my choice to jail you or not it was islapmynuts call. He said he wanted to jail you so I did so accordingly. It was 5 minutes that you deserved to lose. You can't -support reports on yourself And it is your choice to jail him, You must come to a conclusion in every sit. you can't just say "Uh so, you want him jailed?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysea Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, OverRaptor9328 said: -support. I checked the place of death and it was outside the fence. You rdmed him and it isnt my choice to jail you or not it was islapmynuts call. He said he wanted to jail you so I did so accordingly. It was 5 minutes that you deserved to lose. Deserved to lose? Why do you think I deserved to be jailed? Does the video not convince you that I clearly was not aiming for ISlapMyNuts? I'm not staff but I don't believe every accident /mistake should be treated as punishment. You guys are here to teach people about the rules, and help out with the server, punishing people should be a last resort when there is clear, undeniable evidence that the person whom the sit was called on was doing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nota Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jaysea said: Deserved to lose? Why do you think I deserved to be jailed? Does the video not convince you that I clearly was not aiming for ISlapMyNuts? I'm not staff but I don't believe every accident /mistake should be treated as punishment. You guys are here to teach people about the rules, and help out with the server, punishing people should be a last resort when there is clear, undeniable evidence that the person whom the sit was called on was doing wrong. Unfortunately crossfire is still rdm in our books, As much as I agree that you were not intentionally aiming for ISlapMyNuts it's still rdm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverRaptor9328 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Nota Mehican said: You can't -support reports on yourself And it is your choice to jail him, You must come to a conclusion in every sit. you can't just say "Uh so, you want him jailed?" Thanks I didn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysea Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nota Mehican said: Unfortunately crossfire is still rdm in our books, As much as I agree that you were not intentionally aiming for ISlapMyNuts it's still rdm. I understand it's RDM. That's clear. So does every accidental kill have to /adverted with crossfire or what? I don't want to accidentally kill someone, get reported, and jailed or even banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copton Chill Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 @Jaysea Whether it was intentional or un-intentional, it is still RDM. Whether crossfire was adverted or not. It doesn't matter if you adverted crossfire for any amount of kill.... It's still rdm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysea Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Copton Chill said: @Jaysea Whether it was intentional or un-intentional, it is still RDM. Whether crossfire was adverted or not. Okay. I understand it's RDM. My question is what should I do in the future if I accidentally kill someone again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voren Redden Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 What can you do? Nothing. You advert crossfire. You won't ever be banned for just crossfiring one person. We don't use that type of system here. You get up to three rule breaks in one, before it becomes a ban. So speaking only on crossfires, you'd have to crossfire 4 people, and then get hit with the sit, to get banned. Secondly. I do have to say. -I- was the one, who the bullet hit. But since I'm a god damn tank on fucking meth, the bullet went through me, and domed slap my nuts, right in the fucking teeth, which was just bloody fucking hilarious. Good shit. But still sadly, -RDM- on a technicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieCheese Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Jaysea said: Okay. I understand it's RDM. My question is what should I do in the future if I accidentally kill someone again. You advert crossfire simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhosTy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, BiggieCheese said: You advert crossfire simple as that Just to let you know There is no crossfire on this server still counts as rdm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysea Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 I simply feel that punishing me for one singular accidental kill among at least 3 other valid kills is unnecessary. A simple warning could have worked and I have no PO's involving jails or bans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Mexican Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 - support RDM is RDM crossfire or not you can see a lot of people are there who aren't raiding so you should have been more careful and waited for them to get in one of your faiding doors but you just sprayed tbh i feel the 5 mins was deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floodedmarathon Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, The Real Mexican said: - support RDM is RDM crossfire or not you can see a lot of people are there who aren't raiding so you should have been more careful and waited for them to get in one of your faiding doors but you just sprayed tbh i feel the 5 mins was deserved agree'd, some of them didn't get a chance to cross the line, and you still sprayed them down, some people weren't raiding, and you sprayed them down.. -support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Denied Crossfire is RDM, adverted or not, this jail was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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