False warn by Bladeograss (Maer Freaht) X2

[Freaht]

Your in-game name:

Maer Freaht

 

Staff members name:

Bladeograss84

 

Staff member SteamID(http://steamidfinder.com/): 

STEAM_0:1:77760597

 

Explain what happened:  

 

So I built my hobo base on the side of the road, not blocking anything or anybody, I had a text sign, a tip jar, a second floor blocked off by a fading door, but the base wasn't the problem, Bladeograss, as well as another hobo, decided that they wanted to start posting theire2 donation screens RIGHT in front of my base. I killed the first hobo a couple of times, thinking that he was just prop Minging, I got warned for rdm 2 times. But this still isn't what I'm here about, After I came back to my hobo house, I decided that I would get rid of them the legit way, I started to warn them, after the 3rd warning, I killed him. And instantly bladeograss (who at this point had his own  e2 donation page in front of my hobo base) pulled me into a sit from where he was watching this all go down. In the end, he warned me for false warn, witch, kicked me from the server and removed my props.  That is why I do not have any evidence. This page isn't just to get bladeograss in trouble, it's just to dispute he warn. I am sure that if you ask him, he will back the story. Here is an excerpt from the rule book,

15. You may not KOS on sidewalks. If someone is annoying you simply warn them to back away using the advert warn system.

My defense was that by minging with his e2 donation screen, he was annoying me and getting in the way of my ability to accept donations. Bladeograss just said that he doesn't understand how that could be annoying.

 

Please post your opinions and thoughts in the comments below, and Please note, this isn't to get bladeograss demoted or anything, I just want to dispute the warn and couldent find a better place to post about it (he even told me to post here after I asked where the best spot would be.)

 

Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc.)

As listed above, I was kicked by the warn, so all my props were deleted, At the time before the warn, I did not have any reason to keep evidence, you may ask bladeograss for confirmation about what I have said above. He was outside my hobo home. I completely accept if the lack of evidence voids this, however, if it does, i would like you to point me in the direction of a forum page where i can unofficially talk about this. Thanks for your time.

[Jukko]

Well first off, this text color is an eye sore and I don't know how I read it. Secondly, if what you stated is true, then this warn is false. But at this point, the only way to actually get your warn removed is if Blade admits it was a false warn since you have no evidence. 

[Blade O Grass]

Freaht, you were warned for False warn and RDM together in 1 Warn. The "False Warn" part was because the actions of the person that you warned 3 times did not meet the criteria for it to be a Legit warn. According to the Warning Rules rule number one states "1. You may warn players to step away from you only if they are following you, actively trying to disturb you, following you with a weapon, or on the property you or someone you have RP relations with owns." As I witnessed the situation go down he was not "Following you" he was not "Actively trying to disturb you" he was not "Following you with a weapon" and he was not "On the property you or someone you have RP relations with owns." I can see from your perspective about how you think this warning that I gave you was False but it was not. If you are trying to claim that placing "1" e2 Donation sign outside of the area where you have placed your props is "Actively trying to disturb you" then I have to disagree. The reason RDM was apart of that warn was because you killed him after the 3rd warn, and the warn was false. Also, hobos can not own property. If you build as a hobo on the street or on the sidewalk people are allowed to freely go in and out of your building/structure so the warnings that you adverted can not be for him being on your property either.

[Blade O Grass]

25 minutes ago, Jukko said:

Well first off, this text color is an eye sore and I don't know how I read it. Secondly, if what you stated is true, then this warn is false. But at this point, the only way to actually get your warn removed is if Blade admits it was a false warn since you have no evidence. 

1. You may warn players to step away from you only if they are following you, actively trying to disturb you, following you with a weapon, or on the property you or someone you have RP relations with owns.

[Freaht]

Can you explain how stealing my donations is not actively trying to disturb me? When a gun dealer goes into another gun dealers base and begins to sell guns at a discount, he is actively trying to disturb the other gun dealer, just as how the other hobo was stealing my donations. He was actively disturbing my ability to make money as a hobo, which is really the only thing that hobos can do apart from the build on the street. Thus, he was actively voiding 50% of the classes abilities.

[TeddaTheMan]

2 minutes ago, Freaht said:

Can you explain how stealing my donations is not actively trying to disturb me? When a gun dealer goes into another gun dealers base and begins to sell guns at a discount, he is actively trying to disturb the other gun dealer, just as how the other hobo was stealing my donations. He was actively disturbing my ability to make money as a hobo, which is really the only thing that hobos can do apart from the build on the street. Thus, he was actively voiding 50% of the classes abilities.

its not, there is no way you can steal donations but you could have asked him to remove the e2 cause its in the way or something instead of just shooting him/adverting a false warn. you also have to CLARIFY why the warn was adverted in the advert

[Blade O Grass]

1 minute ago, Freaht said:

Can you explain how stealing my donations is not actively trying to disturb me? When a gun dealer goes into another gun dealers base and begins to sell guns at a discount, he is actively trying to disturb the other gun dealer, just as how the other hobo was stealing my donations. He was actively disturbing my ability to make money as a hobo, which is really the only thing that hobos can do apart from the build on the street. Thus, he was actively voiding 50% of the classes abilities.

He wasn't necessarily stealing donations people can decide whether they want to donate to one hobo or the other. If he was prop blocking your tip jar with his Donation board that would be another story. If he was prop blocking your tip jar I would like to see screenshots if possible please.

[Freaht]

I did several times. unofficially due to the fact that I was not recording at the time. I even asked the admin to remove the e2, That will be in the logs as i typed it in @ chat.

 

[Blade O Grass]

Just now, Freaht said:

I did several times. unofficially due to the fact that I was not recording at the time. I even asked the admin to remove the e2, That will be in the logs as i typed it in @ chat.

 

If you told him in chat to stop placing his e2 board ontop of your props you should of took screenshots of the chat and screenshots of him continuing to keep his board on your props then he could be warned for harassment. 9. Do not harass other players. Harassment is defined as a continuation of insults/actions against another player after they have asked you to stop.

[Freaht]

Yes, however, the e2 does not clearly state that it is not me, however, it was where i stayed and built my home, with misleads people to believe that it is mine.   

(and no, he wasn't "blocking" the tip jar, it was still accessible, but hidden. and as i said, the warn kicked me and removed the props so i have no evidence of that.)

[Freaht]

well bladeograss, you might as well warn him, as YOU were the one who responded to my report of him putting it there.

[Blade O Grass]

4 minutes ago, Teta The Man said:

its not, there is no way you can steal donations but you could have asked him to remove the e2 cause its in the way or something instead of just shooting him/adverting a false warn. you also have to CLARIFY why the warn was adverted in the advert

Are you sure?

Warning:

1. You may warn players to step away from you only if they are following you, actively trying to disturb you, following you with a weapon, or on the property you or someone you have RP relations with owns.

2. You must specify you are warning by including the action word “Warn” within your advert.

3. You must advert at least three (3) time before acting upon your warn. You may not kill or harm someone after only one (1) or two (2) warns.

[Blade O Grass]

Just now, Freaht said:

well bladeograss, you might as well warn him, as YOU were the one who responded to my report of him putting it there.

I did not see anywhere in chat that you asked him to stop placing his e2 board on top of your props. If you have any screenshots please post them.

[Freaht]

NO, you can check logs, i clearly reported it in the @ chat. And as im sure you recall, we discussed it ON THE SPOT of the e2 sign, By the owner. This clearly tells him that it is not wanted there.

 

[Blade O Grass]

Just now, Freaht said:

NO, you can check logs, i clearly reported it in the @ chat. And as im sure you recall, we discussed it ON THE SPOT of the e2 sign, By the owner. This clearly tells him that it is not wanted there.

 

We had a total of 3 sits together about this matter and the only thing that was spoken about during 2 of the sits was why you rdmed the guy that placed the board there multiple times.

[Blade O Grass]

2 minutes ago, Freaht said:

NO, you can check logs, i clearly reported it in the @ chat. And as im sure you recall, we discussed it ON THE SPOT of the e2 sign, By the owner. This clearly tells him that it is not wanted there.

 

We did for a brief moment talk about the sign but it was never mentioned that you wanted him to remove the sign, I recall you calling the other person a minge about it but never did you ask him to remove it during a sit.

[Freaht]

I DIDNT MAKE IT CLEAR???? I called a modsit. that makes it VERY damn clear. it's even in logs, I typed something like @ make this guy remove his e2 from my base. check logs for the exact wording.

[TeddaTheMan]

1 minute ago, Freaht said:

I DIDNT MAKE IT CLEAR???? I called a modsit. that makes it VERY damn clear. it's even in logs, I typed something like @ make this guy remove his e2 from my base. check logs for the exact wording.

logs dont show where he placed the e2, unless you got screenshots, this might as well be closed

[Blade O Grass]

1 minute ago, Freaht said:

I DIDNT MAKE IT CLEAR???? I called a modsit. that makes it VERY damn clear. it's even in logs, I typed something like @ make this guy remove his e2 from my base. check logs for the exact wording.

The logs that we are using doesn't seem to let me go back farther then maybe 5 minutes for the chat logs therefore I am not able to actually check exactly what you called the sit for. I can however tell you that this report was for the Warn that I gave you that you claim to be a false warn. If you would like the other player to be warned for harassment please create a user report following the template whilst providing evidence.

[fesh]

If you have no proof to back up ANY of this, I have to say DENIED. Someone building next to you does not mean he is actively trying to disturb you either.