Haze_of_dream Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Your in-game name: Haze_of_dream Staff members name: GhosTy Staff member SteamID: STEAM_0:1:36692541 Explain what happened/Evidence Portion: I was falsely jailed for a rule that was not in the MOTD and apparently a 'manager's word' even though their is still no explicit motd rule, Not even a hint of it. Content: I arrested two men for having weapons, they ran into their based but failed to lock any doors, Naturally i arrested for weapons because laws are laws and do not care where you are. Law 5 is clearly printed, It does not make ANY exceptions. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dtWpAGwEbxdjegos-HB7vdoGyiu0346-/view What are the issues i have with this? 1) It sets the precedent that breaking weapons laws are ok if you use private property as an excuse, Does this mean weed and printers are legal on private property, too? Keep consistency, please. 2) Their is no MOTD rule or even announcement about this change to inform players, Scroll the entire MOTD, You won't find anything. 3) The staff member in question here knew this happened at the same time, Knew I had no way of knowing this yet still jailed me for some 'managers word' I don't want the dude demoted, however what I DO want is some clarification for the superiors to either fix their shit or staff should not punish players for the superior's clear lack of communication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calcium Helium Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Also... side note if you google drive is a video or something else other than your swat picture already included in the thread please fix this to anyone can view with link Ok so here my response as an ex staff of DarkRP... the rules do not indicate that you are in the wrong and typically this is why I would give you a +support BUT since a MANAGER said something to someone but did not add it to the rules it is "fine". so........... -support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exld Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 +support Unless it's explicitly stated inside the rules it is not allowed or people have been punished in the past for it then you should not be jailed for a "manager's word" @GhosTy your ball also let me in ur discord room u tardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_of_dream Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Calcium Helium said: Also... side note if you google drive is a video or something else other than your swat picture already included in the thread please fix this to anyone can view with link Ok so here my response as an ex staff of DarkRP... the rules do not indicate that you are in the wrong and typically this is why I would give you a +support BUT since a MANAGER said something to someone but did not add it to the rules it is "fine". so........... -support You completely failed to read the 2nd point and your support does not change the outcome of the report. And no, If the Manager says something about an issue, It's his job to follow through and make the change to the MOTD, He cannot say one thing then decide to leave the players hanging high and dry because he didn't do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Kitty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 - Support to arrest someone on their property you have to have a warrant Where is the proof they had no license ? so thats fail rp and RDAx2 so it is pretty clear you are in the wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeBooty Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 -SUPPORT You went into their base without a warrant. Doesn't matter if they had the doors unlocked or locked. Most of the rules are common sense just gotta use your dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhosTy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Haze_of_dream said: they ran into their based but failed to lock any doors you never mentioned this in the sit it's common sense, you can't arrest people for having a gun out in their own property i was actually nice to you because i ignored the first RDA/Failrpx2 and let you off with just 5 minutes just because you never knew about this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_of_dream Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, GhosTy said: you never mentioned this in the sit it's common sense, you can't arrest people for having a gun out in their own property i was actually nice to you because i ignored the first RDA/Failrpx2 and let you off with just 5 minutes just because you never knew about this rule. Yes, you can. You failed to read point #1, By that logic, can i arrest for weed/printers in peoples private property? If you say yes, That's lack of consistency The door being open didn't matter because the question fundamentally was 'He was on his own property' Nobody knows about this rule because it doesn't exist, Read over the MOTD and tell me where weapons are alright on private property. Tell me where it says laws are nullified on your own property, You can't, Because It doesn't exist. If people want weapons on their propety, Tell them to get a weapon's license, That's what their for. Not some BS rule a manager made up on the spot and failed to follow through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhosTy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Haze_of_dream said: Yes, you can. You failed to read point #1, By that logic, can i arrest for weed/printers in peoples private property? If you say yes, That's lack of consistency The door being open didn't matter because the question fundamentally was 'He was on his own property' Nobody knows about this rule because it doesn't exist, Read over the MOTD and tell me where weapons are alright on private property. Tell me where it says laws are nullified on your own property, You can't, Because It doesn't exist. CP must advert "CP RAID" and have a valid warrant before raiding a property. Proper warrant reason includes but not limited to: Illegal items in a base, kidnapped. etc.ز common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jr_Moon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 from MOTD the warrant is only for cp raids and advert "cp raid" is needed but as no doors were locked and the cp was able to easly walk in no raiding was needed like casinos or other public unblocked property. usually you need to advert cpraid for the battering ram much like you cant lockpick without raiding. but if something is in public you can steal it after adverting steal same goes for cp if they see printers in public spaces they can just destroy them they don't have to advrt cp raid. they can arrest you even on property as far as the current rules are. and with that ellie said the law even said no licenses so he did not need to worry about that. +SUPPORT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhosTy Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Jr_Moon said: from MOTD the warrant is only for cp raids and advert "cp raid" is needed but as no doors were locked and the cp was able to easly walk in no raiding was needed like casinos or other public unblocked property. usually you need to advert cpraid for the battering ram much like you cant lockpick without raiding. but if something is in public you can steal it after adverting steal same goes for cp if they see printers in public spaces they can just destroy them they don't have to advrt cp raid. they can arrest you even on property as far as the current rules are. and with that ellie said the law even said no licenses so he did not need to worry about that. +SUPPORT casino/gunstores (the not private section) are public areas private property are called "private" for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_of_dream Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 Instead of going at GhosTy, how about we go for the real culprit? @Michael Better explain your inconsistencies buddy. Jr_Moon also showed some pretty damning evidence against your little rule as an addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhosTy Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, Haze_of_dream said: Jr_Moon also showed some pretty damning evidence against your little rule as an addition not really my rules but ill follow your logic in this, it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that "unblocked bases" are counted as public areas you can't complain about one rule because it's not stated in the motd then agreeing to also another rule not stated there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Denied Although what the person did was illegal when you are on a base it is considered private property owned by whoever owns the front doors. If you see illegal activities going on in that base you are allowed to act upon them only if you have warrant to actually enter the base and do anything such as arresting. As you can see it is stated clearly you may only enter and arrest someone in base( private property) when you have a valid warrant. What that statement means is that no matter what it applies to bases. Which if you did not know bases owned by anyone unlocked or not is still private property. The "arrest anyone you see doing illegal activities" only applies to public areas such as Gun Shops, casinos and the street/ public domain NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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