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Pablo Upper Decker Escobar's Demotion - Staff report against Basilisk


Alex_Pizdec

Did Pablo Upper Decker Escobar get falsely demoted?  

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  1. 1. Did Pablo Upper Decker Escobar Get falsely banned?

    • Yes He did get falsely demoted
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    • No He deserved the demotion
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Your in-game name:

 

Pablo Upper Decker Escobar

 

Staff members name:

 

Basilisk (Or jush)

 

Staff member SteamID(http://steamidfinder.com/):

 

 Basilisk: STEAM_0:1:431158612

 

Explain what happened:

 So first of I would like to say that yes I am part African-American. With this said I am pretty sure you can guess that I grew up saying the N-word regularly.

Using the word to refer to friends and family. Through my 343 hours of playing MBRP I have made multiple people I would like to call friends. 

Now like I said I grew up saying the word and I just find it ridiculous that I have to make a post on the forums just to clear this up. I refer to almost all my friends as my N-words.

Continuing that thought, Basilisk got screenshot evidence of me saying "that N-word dead" and "that is a Indian N-word". I do not mind other people saying the word

but when I get demoted after saying it In a non-joking manner I take offense to it. I use the word as a replacement for "dude" or "guy" and have no idea why other people and other staff

can say it in game and in servers while walking away clean while I get demoted. The staff guide (From what I have seen) States nothing about the use of the N-word by staff. When I have used the word it has again been referring to my friends, family, or other people that I do not want to call "dude" "homie" or "bro". The Non-joking way that I have used the word can not be offensive to anyone

and if you do find that offensive please comment and tell me how you would find that offensive when a African American person, uses the N-Word in a Non-joking way referring to his friends or people.

What I would Like to happen is to be put back on the staff team since there could be no apparent reason I got demoted, I would also appreciate I apology but its fine and I understand Basilisk wouldn't want to.

I have already messaged multiple people about this and they agree with me as well that I shouldn't have been demoted. I am quoting Basilisk when saying this:

"Jush asked me if staff can say the n word and I said no, I asked him for evidence so he sent me a screenshot of you saying the n word".

Just to recap everything I am part African American meaning I am use to calling Friends and family the N-word. There is no specifications on the use of the n word in the staff guide

and I see no reason to demote me when I prefer to use the N-word instead of "bro "dude" or "homie". I would appreciate if more time would be put into this request. 

I do enjoy helping the Exhibition community but this is just offensive and toxic. 

 

Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc. This is required! Saying "just check server logs" isn't evidence.)

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1. A staff member is not supposed to say the n word in public places or in discord relating to exhibition, its fine if you say it with other staff but you are not allowed to say it other than that

2. You were not demoted for saying the n word you were given a strike, it was your second strike which is a demotion

3. This should not be a report on Jush if you do not think you should have been demoted it should be a report on just me Jush did nothing except send me proof

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-support

as a staff member you are to always be mindful of what you say. what you say to your friends and how they take it is one thing but if you say it to someone else and they find it offence who's fault is it?

 

You have been warned about this on many occasions by myself and a few others(including basilisk) so there is no reason why you should have proceed to ignore what we all said.

 

Nothing personal you but as a staff you are to be mature using vulgar words are not tolerated .

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19 minutes ago, Insert White Name said:

-support

as a staff member you are to always be mindful of what you say. what you say to your friends and how they take it is one thing but if you say it to someone else and they find it offence who's fault is it?

 

You have been warned about this on many occasions by myself and a few others(including basilisk) so there is no reason why you should have proceed to ignore what we all said.

 

Nothing personal you but as a staff you are to be mature using vulgar word are not tolerated .

I do not re-call you telling me anything about this. I have only gotten one earring from basilisk when I just became staff.

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I see where you're coming from, and if you weren't doing any staff duty at the time then I may agree.

 

However, consider this, would you be saying this word if you were IRL working at your job and your coworkers did not use this word? Would it look professional to any customers if you called them the word even in a light-hearted manner? I don't think you would, not unless you're working in a dumpy area with a staff team that does not give a shit about being professional. As previously mentioned, it appears this wasn't the sole factor in your demotion as you've been given a strike before, so I am going to give -Support on this one.

 

-To elaborate on my point about profanity in a work environment: I don't think it's a problem with regular swears given you aren't going overboard, however given the racial context of the word you used I think it can be quite sketchy using it towards another while on staff duty.

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@Basilisk Ah I see, this is important info. Now it depends on who was in the call and whether or not it was a private room in my opinion. If it with only other staff members and a one time slip, then I think a verbal warning would have sufficed. If it was a public call and non-staff players were in it, then I personally wouldn't give a strike but I could understand why a higher up would. I change my support to +/- Neutral until I hear these details.

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+ support 

I don’t think he was trying to be rude in any way or be offensive but genuinely was using the word to describe a friend or homie, after all this is a gmod server

+ support 

I haven’t seen Bas talk to Pablo about any disciplinary actions for his choice of words until this point, I feel like Bas is being biased, I can recall Bas regularly using the N word to non staff players when he was a trial mod / mod and no actions were taken on him, I feel this was unjustified and Pablo should be given another chance but if something like this arises again there shouldn’t be any more chances given

overall + support 

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@Robert Frankit was in a discord relating to exhibition in the general chat and I have warned him about saying the n word as staff before also, he used it multiple times as well. I respect the fact that it is part of his vocabulary and he is just used to saying it but as a staff member you should not be saying it in places where regular every day users can see it.@Cuban PeteI do not remember using the n word as a trial mod/mod but if I did an apologize for that, it has been a good while since I was a mod so I have grown since then but I respect your opinion.

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10 minutes ago, Robert Frank said:

@Basilisk Ah I see, this is important info. Now it depends on who was in the call and whether or not it was a private room in my opinion. If it with only other staff members and a one time slip, then I think a verbal warning would have sufficed. If it was a public call and non-staff players were in it, then I personally wouldn't give a strike but I could understand why a higher up would. I change my support to +/- Neutral until I hear these details.

Robert it was in a NSFW chat

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- Support

Whether or not used as a slur or as a replacement of some type of word in the end it was made as a racial slur and isn't allowed to be said as a staff. Just the way it works doesn't matter race.

Just like mRdm on other servers if its tied back to exhib punishments will be given

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1 minute ago, Basilisk said:

@Robert Frankit was in a discord relating to exhibition in the general chat and I have warned him about saying the n word as staff before also @Cuban PeteI do not remember using the n word as a trial mod/mod but if I did an apologize for that, it has been a good while since I was a mod so I have grown since then but I respect your opinion.

? It was in a NSFW chat

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If it was in NSFW chat, then I think this lessens the gravity of the situation. You have to take a few things into account:

1: He was not acting as staff or doing any staff duty at the time

2: This was in a NSFW chat, not general. Rules are different there and the overall nature of the chat means rules are looser than normal. I don't know the rules of this chat since it isn't in the main exhibition discord server, but I assume porn/gore can be posted there. If that's the case, you need to compare the content of that with the word he used. Which can be perceived as more offensive in nature? I'd say gore is more disturbing than being called a racial slur in a non-racist manner. If a staff member can post porn/gore there, then I don't think saying what he said should result in punishment.

3: Racism is very open and non-punishable in general inside of exhibition servers from what I've seen, unless it's directed in a hateful manner towards one person. Would a non-staff member have been punished for posting what he did, where he did it? If no, I don't think saying a racial word with no racial context, in a non-professional media matters. I understand that staff are to be more professional than regular players, but if they are allowed to post NSFW content in the NSFW channel then other things should be looked at differently.

 

Unless I was wrong in assuming any of what I just said, I am now in +Support of this.

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7 hours ago, Alex_Pizdec said:

Not doxing, Rees was showing his face in camera. You can ask any of the 20 people that were there

Rees showed his face to a select group of people same with phantom neither of them said you could post their faces anywhere unless i'm wrong. @Phantom  @{Rees} - Nova Prospekt

 

 

Not only that but then you proceed to make fun of them. That does not seem appropriate for a staff member to do to their ex collages.

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