NOMAD Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Your in-game name: randolf Staff members name: Eric Fernadez Staff member SteamID(http://steamidfinder.com/): STEAM_0:1:507908233 Explain what happened: There was a law that stated "Guns out are aos/kos." I arrested someone who had a gun out. He initiated an admin sit, claiming he did not have a gun out. The admin then instructed me to provide video proof that my arrest was valid, thus determining whether I was allowed to put him in jail. I argued that since he initiated the sit, he should be the one providing proof. Nowhere in the rules does it state that I need to record 24/7 to enforce the laws of the land. Why is the admin favoring someone else's word over mine? This was not my sit; I should not have to provide anything. Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc. This is required! Saying "just check server logs" isn't evidence.) here is a video of him telling me im getting warned for something i never did when he has no proof of anything https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/2fgyhOMzJRnhhX/d1337R5XMWYU?invite=cr-MSxLYjYsMTYwNDc5MDM0LA here is also The video of him warning me https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/2fgzf6BvZplOIx/d1337h9qwFv7?invite=cr-MSxsVnQsMTYwNDc5MDM0LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 First thing he says "theres no logs of anything". If he cannot find a log of someone making the law he cannot prove that it was ever a log, you would have to provide proof of its existence... 1 hour ago, NOMAD said: Nowhere in the rules does it state that I need to record 24/7 to enforce the laws of the land. Why is the admin favoring someone else's word over mine? This was not my sit; I should not have to provide anything. You are absolutely right about that. The log system might not include laws being created, in which case you have another battle to fight. However I do not know if they do or don't, so you'll have to get eric's or some other staffs comment on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 If you watch the video, it's evident that's not the main issue—or an issue at all, really. The problem is the admin demanding proof that the other player had a gun out, rather than asking for proof of a specific law violation. He's asking me to provide evidence for his own report, which doesn't make sense because I didn't do anything wrong; I was just following the law. I shouldn't have to provide anything. I'm brought into a situation where somebody is accusing me of breaking a rule, but the burden of proof should be on them, not me. The admin shouldn't have warned me because I didn't do anything wrong; I was simply following the law. The other person lied, and for some reason, the admin chose to believe them over me, even though they did have a gun out and I was justified in taking action against them. This should be common sense. How can a staff member just warn me without any evidence backing up someone else's claim? They're taking sides, and this warning should be removed, and the staff member should be punished. If needed, I can provide the relevant laws at the time, but as I've said, it's not even remotely relevant to this situation. Even if the log system doesn't include the creation of laws, it's irrelevant to the issue at hand. The problem lies in the admin's demand for proof of the other player having a gun out, not in the creation of laws. Whether or not laws were recorded doesn't change the fact that I followed protocol. If the log system doesn't contain such information, then it's up to Eric or another staff member to clarify. But regardless, the core issue remains: the admin's request for proof that I shouldn't be responsible for providing. @dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, El Slappo said: If you where jailed for this I definitely +support this there is nothing that can be done if the accuser doesn’t have a clip I was in a sit just like this and was told nothing could be done and we just moved on. If you where punished for this I +support this because you would’ve been punished for hearsay which you can’t even be punished for in the actual court of law. I was warned for RDAx1 with zero evidence backing up the guy's claim. So yes, I was punished. If you watch the video I provided, it's clear the admin is doing the exact opposite of what he's supposed to do. He's asking me to provide video proof that my arrest was valid rather than asking the person who accused me of 'RDA' for video proof . and then warned me when i did nothing wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 52 minutes ago, El Slappo said: Okay well after all this info I don’t think he deserves a strike or a demotion for this but just a talking to sense you where just warned not jailed He warned me for RDAX1 when i did not rda anyone, if you watch the video he does not even make any sense at all with what he's saying https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/2fgyhOMzJRnhhX/d1337Ow8WC3O?invite=cr-MSx2Y2csMTYwNDc5MDM0LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trofiアニメ Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 whole sit shouldve been verbal without video, +/- support for now since you only got a temp warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake S Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 -Support Free my man Eric, You nor him can prove the fact that the Arrest was legal, So what eric has to do it go off the person who made the sit or if there is hard evidence which is something you didn't have, So there for Eric will not know the fact if the Gun Dealer had a gun out or not. Its then based of who's story matches logs or the sit is ended with no punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Slappo Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 After reading further opinions I’m going to have a final response of +/- support on this this shouldn’t result in any punishment of the staff member I think this is just a good learning opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 here is a video with the laws at the time https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/2fgmmqegsgkZcL/d1337zZ5BMse?invite=cr-MSxVVDYsMTYwNDc5MDM0LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 14 hours ago, Jake S said: -Support Free my man Eric, You nor him can prove the fact that the Arrest was legal, So what eric has to do it go off the person who made the sit or if there is hard evidence which is something you didn't have, So there for Eric will not know the fact if the Gun Dealer had a gun out or not. Its then based of who's story matches logs or the sit is ended with no punishments. this does not make any sense at all. if the admin can not figure it out then why am I punished? seems very seems very biased for a mod to come in here and say this when i was legit punished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 in the video of the sit I provided he says "there's no logs showing me anything, and i have no clips about this, so i am going to believe that you false arrested him unless somebody has any proof" then saying he cant agree with me because he has nothing to back it up? this is nonsense hes taking sides with zero proof then punishing me. as I've stated this has nothing to do with the law as the sit is not about the law at all its about him having a gun out but now i have provided that anyhow. I'm just going to leave this for upper staff members to deal with it because i'm pretty shocked by that mods response lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake S Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 9 hours ago, NOMAD said: this does not make any sense at all. if the admin can not figure it out then why am I punished? seems very seems very biased for a mod to come in here and say this when i was legit punished shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaperKing Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 -Support You say your main issue is him asking for video proof when you feel like your not responsible to provide video proof, Eric was just doing what he is suppose to as staff, Figure out what happened. We will sometimes have issues with logs so some stuff might not appear, so Eric was asking you for video proof to prove the law was there because he has to gather enough evidence to figure out whether or not it was RDA. In your clip of the sit it shows the law for "guns out is AOS" was no longer there, so Eric needed to find out whether the law was truly there at the time of the arrest. That means there is not a issue here, man was just doing what he was suppose to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 no he's asking for video proof of him having a gun out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bic Lighter Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 22 hours ago, Jake S said: shut up very helpful and intuitive insight you have provided jake. on a serious note the sit should've just been closed, as there was no way to prove either side of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake S Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 40 minutes ago, Bic Lighter said: very helpful and intuitive insight you have provided jake. on a serious note the sit should've just been closed, as there was no way to prove either side of this. I appreciate it. And i agree with your statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trofiアニメ Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 moving my stance to a -support. No NEED for punishment over a temp warning Personally id have given you a verbal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOMAD Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 I 21 hours ago, Bic Lighter said: very helpful and intuitive insight you have provided jake. on a serious note the sit should've just been closed, as there was no way to prove either side of this. Thank you! This is what I've been saying, but for some reason, all these people don't understand that, which is also concerning because some of them are staff. Are they are all warning people without proof lmao. pretty wild if you ask me, I can't really understand how they don't see the issue here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Staff member in question is no longer staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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