Haze_of_dream failing to punish rdmers

[Charles]

Your in-game name:

Necro

Staff members name:

Haze_of_dream

Staff member SteamID(http://steamidfinder.com/):

STEAM_0:1:75838598

Explain what happened:

• There was a mass rdmer on the server.
• The only staff online was haze but he was afk.
• I e2 prop blocked the mass rdmer and another player that rdmed me and my pet.
• When haze eventually came back he said that my e2 prop block of rdmers while no staff are here is worse than their rdm. (even though in the past Miskie has said I could do it)
• He decided not to punish the rdmers or even verbally warn them even though there was enough evidence in logs to prove the rdm.

Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc.)

I don't have any as he was using voice chat and I couldn't be bothered to record.

(I'm aware with no proof this doens't mean much. But I'm hoping as I've been in this community for an actual year and as admin for a few months my word can hopefully be trusted.)

[Charles]

Forgot to mention a thing.

He also said that due to me saying "do your job" he wasn't going to respond to my tickets.

This was said in chat so will be in the server logs if proof is needed.

[Haze_of_dream]

58 minutes ago, Necro said:

There was a mass rdmer on the server.

So then say something when I come back?

58 minutes ago, Necro said:

When haze eventually came back he said that my e2 prop block of rdmers while no staff are here is worse than their rdm. (even though in the past Miskie has said I could do it)

I said punishment wise, Not logically. and I explained the way in which you did It was worse considering it wasn't consistent RDM or Mass, But a pet and one kill on you, So I'd say you're both guilty.

46 minutes ago, Necro said:

He also said that due to me saying "do your job" he wasn't going to respond to my tickets.

You said blatantly "Do your job", That's JUST a little bit disrespectful and I bluntly told you that attitude doesn't get your sits accepted faster, I didn't say I wouldn't take your tickets. But good try.

58 minutes ago, Necro said:

He decided not to punish the rdmers or even verbally warn

Because we were dealing about your E2 usage, not the rdm'ers which afterwards you never stated their names nor what they have been doing, or a descriptive timeframe of how long. Not to mention you both broke rules, an E2 propblocker for a little offense you can wait out or use User Reports is not worthy of E2 abuse.

45 minutes ago, Necro said:

This was said in chat so will be in the server logs if proof is needed.

The ones that were lost because of a server restart?

 

Also no proof. You should know that If you have none for being a former admin and here for a year that you require proof in this section.

[Charles]

23 minutes ago, Haze_of_dream said:

So then say something when I come back?

I did. If someones willing to get the server logs they'd see that I did.

23 minutes ago, Haze_of_dream said:

I said punishment wise, Not logically. and I explained the way in which you did It was worse considering it wasn't consistent RDM or Mass, But a pet and one kill on you, So I'd say you're both guilty.

That's incorrect. You are talking about only one of the players who had rdmed me and my pet. There was another player I had told you about that was mass rdming I'd also e2 jailed that had been mass rdming. Even the people I had jailed told you about him mass rdming.

Are you saying that because I e2 prop blocked 2 people that were rdming they should not be punished? Even though I've been told I can by Miskie?

So wait... you're saying if two people break rules against each other neither one gets warned?  Hope you don't use that logic often.

23 minutes ago, Haze_of_dream said:

You said blatantly "Do your job", That's JUSt a little bit disrespectful and I bluntly told you that attitude doesn't get your sits accepted faster, It just creates unnecessary tension

Hm. Understand that I had made a ticket and was waiting for you. I had people telling me you were building in the pd. I was ofc aggravated that I had to waste my time sitting there waiting for you which is why I told you to do your job. IT's true I could have added a please on the end but in my aggravation I didn't think about it. That's in no way an excuse though. I should have taken the extra moment to add a please.

I'm unsure if you said "doesn't get your sits accepted faster" or not. I had thought you said "doesn't get your sits accepted" without the faster but I may have that wrong. As I said in my other post it'd be good if someone could look at the server logs and check. I'm aware that as I was annoyed I may not remember it correctly. I'm also pretty sure you did not say "It just creates unnecessary tension".

23 minutes ago, Haze_of_dream said:

Because we were dealing about your E2 usage, not the rdm'ers which afterwards you never stated their names nor what they have been doing, or a descriptive timeframe of how long.

I had stated the mass rdmers name in chat. I didn't think I had to say the other players name as they were prop jailed right in front of you and you'd been talking to them with me. I'm pretty sure I had said he had rdmed me and my pet... I had also made a ticket. I'm also 100% sure I had said that the guy with a twitch link as a name was mass rdming.

You could use the logs to work out how long. I didn't check the time nor did you ask how long.

Also no proof.

There is proof of a fair bit int he server logs if someone Miskie could get them for us all to look through.

[InJoker]

4 hours ago, Haze_of_dream said:

not the rdm'ers which afterwards you never stated their names nor what they have been doing, or a descriptive timeframe of how long

You do not need someone's name to look at the logs. Just simply type /logs click kills and see whose name keeps appearing as a killer and look into it more on RDMM and by bringing them.

The only thing I believe this boils down to is Haze not fully knowing how to use the kill log. Necro's E2 abuse is not really e2 abuse as we typically will allow this if there is no active staff member on.

[iReckon]

4 hours ago, InJoker said:

You do not need someone's name to look at the logs. Just simply type /logs click kills and see whose name keeps appearing as a killer and look into it more on RDMM and by bringing them.

The only thing I believe this boils down to is Haze not fully knowing how to use the kill log. Necro's E2 abuse is not really e2 abuse as we typically will allow this if there is no active staff member on.

How long has he been staff? How hard can it be to type !logs or w/e the command is and check the kill logs?

[Charles]

Meh. I sorta want this report closed.

But not without me saying that next time Haze, if someone tells you about a rule breaker please follow it up.

Could we get a close please? I'm sure Haze has got the point by now.

[InJoker]

7 hours ago, Necro said:

Meh. I sorta want this report closed.

But not without me saying that next time Haze, if someone tells you about a rule breaker please follow it up.

Could we get a close please? I'm sure Haze has got the point by now.

First of all what point this is he said she said this report would’ve been rejected by a manager since there is no proof whatsoever. 

Second when you are the only staff member on you need to say this sit has priority over the other one regardless of which one is on top. He’s not going to stop and take a 3 minute sit about your pet being rdmed if there is mass rdm happening. 

Third there is no point base needs to “get” from this. Plogs are stupid and reset after a while, so it is possible the mass rdm was already cleared out of the kill log by the time he got back. 

[Charles]

I half think you just don't like me InJoker 

 

This isn't a he said she said report. As I've already said in the thread, there is proof in the server logs that will suffice. (Rooster seemingly was looking to the server logs)

You seem to be misunderstanding the situation.

• I reported both the mass rdm and rdm of me and my pet.
• Staff was afk
• I e2 prop blocked both of them.
• Staff came back.
• I removed my e2.
• He went away ignoring that when he came to me and asked me to remove the e2 I had told him who had been mass rdming and that this player had mass rdmed.
• There was no mass rdm going on at the time. (As I had him e2 jailed)
• He never punished that mass rdmer or the person that had rdmed me and my pet.
• He never said anything about the logs being wiped.
• Earlier in this thread he said I hadn't told him about said mass rdmer.
• I had done. Which is in the logs which is partly why the logs are my proof.
• If there was a reason for not punishing either rule breaker he didn't give me it.

In short the higher priority mass rdm sit was also with me.

If it was cleared out of the logs he should have said something. He didn't even mention it on this thread so I don't think that's the case.

[jimmy]

o hi there