False Kick - Thunder.

[Kramer_]

Your in-game name: Kramer_

 

Staff members name: Thunder.

 

Staff member SteamID: (Can't Find it Sorry.)

 

Explain what happened:

My base was quote "disrupting player's rp experience" because it was using moving materials on the walls, Thunder, had said that he had multiple reports of the "issue' and that MULTIPLE people were complaining but HE could NOT get one person to contest, or show me proof of one report that he had "received" on my base. While inside my base with him in a sit I was demanding that i saw where in the rules that having materials that were moving were not allowed and to show me evidence of these reports or the people who had reported. I refused to do anything to my base until he had done this.  He then put this in chat "RP-restricting structures/bases is not allowed and will result in them being removed with possible punishment".  Now im sot sure if i'm blind but I cannot see as to where this is saying I cant have materials that move because players who have toasters for computers can't render them. I also cannot find in the rules where you have to abide by other players need in terms of rendering materials that is lacking on THEIR PART.  In past experiences i was told to quote "just disconnect and reconnect that should fix it." when i complained to satff about bases being laggy. After about 2 mins of this is finally said "Im getting another admin for this." he then quickly and nervously responded with "are you going to change the material or not?" I responded with "im getting another admin, this is dumb.". Thrill then imitatively teleported out and then about 2 seconds later when I requested "I need another admin" in the @admin chat. I was then kicked by thunder for "refusing the change for his false base". Not sure how my base was "false"...  A person who was there for the entire sit was Orangecat who can contest to everything that occurred. 

 

 

Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc. This is required!)

 

May I also add this is the 3rd time ive had a problem with a staff member and all 3 TIMES being this moderator Thunder. 

AND this is also the same moderator who switched to the terrorist leader job, set the bomb down in front of a wall on my base with bit miners visibly close to it, just so they could be destroyed. Im pretty sure when I did that I was banned for 1 day for "fail-rp" which was understandable, I exploited the use of the terrorist leader job specifically the bomb to destroy something behind wall impervious to bullets.

I am not the only one with many complaints about this moderator, this needs to be handled, since I joined in august of 2017 I have never had this many problems in a row with a staff member. It seems through multiple other staff reports I am not the only member who has had problems with this member. "Quit fucking doing that without advert or i'm gonna fucking ban you "

 

included Screen-shots:

1: a base in which was causing me frame issues and was using moving materials inside, which Thunder had no problem with.

2: His response and rule that I was "breaking"

3: My call for an admin

4: my request for an admin going through and with no time I was kicked, Thunder was not keen on letting another staff member in on the sit even though Thrill was already there.

5: the false kick for a "false base".

 

 

 

[Thunder]

I gave you 10 mins to change the material. You refused, I got 4 reports that your base was lagging them. It was lagging me as well, as soon as it left the lag stopped. Next time listen to me and just change the material. players were suffering from it. I called a second staff member in and he said it was the material as well. No need to get a third staff to come. I spent 10 mins explaing to you, which I didn’t need to I could of just kicked you for refusing.

[Kramer_]

Just now, ThunderCock said:

I gave you 10 mins to change the material. You refused, I got 4 reports that your base was lagging them. It was lagging me as well, as soon as it left the lag stopped. Next time listen to me and just change the material. Next time just listen and change your base, players were suffering from it. I called a second staff member in and he said it was the material as well. No need to get a third staff member in. 

Yeah you see, you did give me 10 mins, ok cool but that was a false kick, and it's not in the rules that i need to change my materials to abide by another player's lack of rendering ability. Also if you can show me these reports you just came up with out of no where that would be great. Like i said if you would have showed me the reports or given me evidence in game this wouldn't be problem. Interesting how you know how many report you had NOW but couldn't tell me in game you simply said "multiple reports." Hmm.

 

[teh epic frog]

I mean if your base was causing lag and players were complaning, and thunder told you multiple times to remove it, then the kick technically was allowed.

[teh epic frog]

Just now, Kramer_ said:

and it's not in the rules that i need to change my materials to abide by another player's lack of rendering ability

when it comes down to it if people are complaining of fps drop and a staff tells you to remove something, you remove it. And you didnt 

[Kramer_]

4 minutes ago, ThunderCock said:

I gave you 10 mins to change the material. You refused, I got 4 reports that your base was lagging them. It was lagging me as well, as soon as it left the lag stopped. Next time listen to me and just change the material. Next time just listen and change your base, players were suffering from it. I called a second staff member in and he said it was the material as well. No need to get a third staff member in. 

also interested why you wouldn't let a second staff member respond to my call, allowing a second view on the situation seeing as there is no direct rule I am breaking. 

[Thunder]

Thrill was there! Why would we bring a third staff member in?! If you want I can get 4 people to reply here and say they had lag.

[Kramer_]

Just now, teh epic frog said:

when it comes down to it if people are complaining of fps drop and a staff tells you to remove something, you remove it. And you didnt 

welp it doesnt seem like that is true I complained about that base but he didnt seem to mind, still I havent seen these reports so this could and more than likely is a person attack rather than a legitimate opposition, he does have personal problems with me. understandable i suppose. 

[Kramer_]

1 minute ago, ThunderCock said:

Thrill was there! Why would we bring a third staff member in?! If you want I can get 4 people to reply here and say they had lag.

yeah sure just go tell 4 of your friends to comment some bs, and thrill was silent the entire time.

[Krystal]

There should be no problems with this kick.
I don't have the best computer in the world and this base was making me lag a lot. And considering it was in the downtown area I couldn't barely walk by pd without receiving lag from this base

[Kramer_]

Just now, Krystal said:

There should be no problems with this kick.
I don't have the best computer in the world and this base was making me lag a lot. And considering it was in the downtown area I couldn't barely walk by pd without receiving lag from this base

Note there was multiple printers and miners inside so this may not have even been a material problem. Simply just a use of too many spawnables which does not fall to the players responsibility.

 

[teh epic frog]

4 minutes ago, Kramer_ said:

Note there was multiple printers and miners inside so this may not have even been a material problem. Simply just a use of too many spawnables which does not fall to the players responsibility.

 

I mean.. based of th screenshots, it does not look like it would cause lag... but i cant tell, and if a staff member tells you to dlete something, you need to delete it

[Krystal]

I haven't had any expierence with lag from printers, even tho ive seen bases with over 6. 

[Kramer_]

Im not going to delete it for a reason that is not valid. and there was WAY more behind me. Im done with this banter let rooster decide.

[fesh]

@teh epic frog you dont get his point do you? he understands that if a staff tells him he has to do something he must, he doesnt care about that. He's reporting the staff member because the kick was for a false REASON 

[Krystal]

Its not banter, and the reason was valid. Many bases have been forced to be deleted due to the issue of lag. I am now done.

[Kramer_]

Just now, Krystal said:

I haven't had any expierence with lag from printers, even tho ive seen bases with over 6. 

We had 6 miners, 1 100K miner, 4 printers, 2 oil refiners and 4 other oil processing pieces of equipment.

[Kramer_]

1 minute ago, fesh said:

@teh epic frog you dont get his point do you? he understands that if a staff tells him he has to do something he must, he doesnt care about that. He's reporting the staff member because the kick was for a false REASON 

^

 

[teh epic frog]

2 minutes ago, fesh said:

@teh epic frog you dont get his point do you? he understands that if a staff tells him he has to do something he must, he doesnt care about that. He's reporting the staff member because the kick was for a false REASON 

Yes I do get his point, I am just simply stating stating that rule.. not picking any side here because quite frankly I do not know the whole story. I am simply stating what I can pick out from this.

[fesh]

yes, but you've stated it several times, it seems you dont understand his point otherwise you'd stop pointing that rule out. this report was not made over that, it was made because his REASONING was false

[Kramer_]

3 minutes ago, teh epic frog said:

Yes I do get his point, I am just simply stating stating that rule.. not picking any side here because quite frankly I do not know the whole story. I am simply stating what I can pick out from this.

Well then don't you think that you should let this be handled by Rooster? after all Rooster has exactly the same information as you but with the decision making ability. Why even input anything at all if I had already acknowledged that. 

[teh epic frog]

5 minutes ago, Kramer_ said:

Well then don't you think that you should let this be handled by Rooster? after all Rooster has exactly the same information as you but with the decision making ability. Why even input anything at all if I had already acknowledged that. 

Im putting in my two cents, not going to reply anymore at this point

[Kramer_]

K no more shit-posting from anyone please 

[Can't Stop The Rooster]

A false kick report, with over the line of attention.

 

90% of the comments here are completely useless and did not help with making this case make any more sense. Don't comment unless you are tied/involved in the report.

 

Like I've said a hundred times and I'll keep saying it again. Saying "the rules don't say you cant have laggy materials" Is like saying "The rules don't say you CAN have laggy materials". The argument is completely useless. Use common sense, if your base is causing a community-wide issue, like lagging players, fix it if requested too. There's nothing I enjoy more than handling reports of people reporting false kicks because a specific rule is not in the rules list. If we had every rule listed, we'd have a page of over 500 rules. Over-exaggerating but you get the point. We cannot list every single rule, half of the new players joining don't even read them, it's a waste of our time.

 

I can easily and simply sit here and tell you, where do the rules say you CAN have a frame dropping material? Like I said above, using this as an argument is useless. DRP Rules > General > Rule 2.  "Staff are here to help. If there is no rule listed or its specifications, staff may tell you what is and isn't allowed." In this case, your base is causing an issue for our players and causing frames to drop. Fix it. Simple. You also admitted that he gave you around 10 minutes to fix it, the staff member was very patient and gave you enough time. Instead, you decided to try to Staff a Staff member and argue rules. Like said in previous reports, instead of arguing, just record and report it, let whatever happens, happen, it will be better in the long run to just report it instead of arguing about it.

 

This is GMOD, not Battlefield 1, GMOD. Typically, people have really bad computers and these are the sort of games that it comes down to when it comes to what people can play. Not everyone has a Beast Computer! like yourself and can get decent frames with a base causing issues. Sometimes players with a good computer don't want to deal with the frame drops when walking by your base.

 

Either way, IF something is causing issues for PLAYERS to play the server, staff are here to try to solve it in any way possible.

 

Only thing I didn't like here, is the choice of response and rules that were said. I'll let him know to use the correct responses instead of that rule.

 

Closed to prevent further useless posts.