Damplips abusing power

[Gandaladredowox]

Your in-game name:

 Maria Barngoose

Staff members name:

 Damplips

Staff member SteamID(http://steamidfinder.com/):

STEAM_0:0:239034900 

Explain what happened:

Built a hobo community on the road + street with other hobos, Damplips and some other dude wouldn't leave us alone. After dampling tried to kill me (and died to my companion LOL), we started making fun of him for it (ex 'lol you died to a sniper close quarters'). He gets mad and starts deleting my hobo base (no warning or sit before it happens) because "you cant build on the street" but the rules say:

• Hobo's, DJ's and Gun Dealer's, are the only classes that are allowed to build on the sidewalk. Hoboes must build in roleplay (No big structures, small shacks that do not take up a section of the map). Outside structures may not block, property doors, entities, NPCs, etc.
• (hobo rules) You may build a small shack on the side of the road. You may not build on rooftops, strictly on the side of the road. Anything large may and must be removed at staff members request to do so.

So why am I to be punished for building something completely allowed. Even if you try and twist the rules and say that "the side of the road means the sidewalk", lets not forget that there was no warning, no sit, and 100% out of spite. Him and his friend were the only people complaining and it was because we killed him. If a staff member punishes someone out of spite, chances are, they are abusive and need to go. That's just my opinion, but causing 5 hobos to leave over poor anger management is def not a good look for the server. Even ching chong, a trial moderator, took time to go over rules and take sits. 

 

Another thing to add:

The hobo base was around for about 1-2 hours and no admin or player ever complained. It wasn't until damp threw a fit that my hobo base became a problem.

Evidence (screenshots, video, chat log, etc. This is required!)

Damplips abusing yuh

[Copton Chill]

You're lying that Damplips just started deleting your hobo bases. He doesnt even have the rank to do that. Its not twisting the rules to say to only build on the sidewalk because it literally says hobo , gun dealers, DJ can only build on the sidewalk in the first paragraph you pasted in blue. The rules are your one and only warning , you don't require a sit to be told to delete your base. Just because no one complained doesnt mean it is an exception now

[Thunder]

You stated a rule counteracting your self. "Can build on the side of the street". This clearly states you cannot build on the street and you see him in the video only deleting the part that was in the street. Your lucky he didn't kick you which he could of.

[Kaff]

3 minutes ago, Thunder said:

You stated a rule counteracting your self. "Can build on the side of the street". This clearly states you cannot build on the street and you see him in the video only deleting the part that was in the street. Your lucky he didn't kick you which he could of.

yea tell him thunder

[Gandaladredowox]

"because it literally says hobo , gun dealers, DJ can only build on the sidewalk"

Hobo's, DJ's and Gun Dealer's, are the only classes that are allowed to build on the sidewalk. 

Allowed does not = required. If you honestly believe that gun dealers can only build on the street, you really shouldnt be staff lol.

You also fail to acknowlege the second rule i posted which says "You may build a small shack on the side of the road".

 

 

"You're lying that Damplips just started deleting your hobo bases"

Odd you say that considering #1: you werent on the server (as far as i know), #2: i have visual evidence of the event occurring. Seems to me you didn't even consider the evidence. Since looking through evidence seems to be a challenge, lemme make it easier *CLICK THIS LINK FOR VIDEO EVIDENCE*

"you don't require a sit to be told to delete your base" 

So its in good faith to allow staff members to delete entire bases with out even warning the player? Something that has taken the player time to make is being removed because an admin is salty. Nice. 
 

 

"Just because no one complained doesnt mean it is an exception now"

So we punish people for something no one cares about. Is that justice? Is that how a server should be run? Denying players fun because your toxicity contradicts an admins anger management.

Also,

Is it not abusive under the same light, for a staff member to ignore a problem until it bothers them? Or at least irresponsible? Why should a staff member only apply rules when they are bothered. If he wanted to enforce the rules then he should have done so at the start, not when he became angry. He was on the server during the entire time, but only acted when provoked by anger. This is poor behavior on not only his part, but your own for showing a complete bias to staff members and ignoring the needs of the community.

 

[Gandaladredowox]

46 minutes ago, Thunder said:

You stated a rule counteracting your self. "Can build on the side of the street". This clearly states you cannot build on the street and you see him in the video only deleting the part that was in the street. Your lucky he didn't kick you which he could of.

It does not state that you may not build on the street. It clearly states that it must be on the side of the road. How am I supposed to interpret that? Where does the road end and the sidewalk begin. And im lucky because he didnt kick me? Kick me for a vague rule without even considering a sit. Imagine running a server that way. 

 

Also let me mention that thunder was not on the server at the time, and neither was kaff. 

 

"yea tell him thunder" yeah kiss up to him kaff! add some content to the post or dont post at all.

 

If you cant look at my post without bias, you shouldnt be staff lol.

[Kaff]

14 minutes ago, Gandaladredowox said:

It does not state that you may not build on the street. It clearly states that it must be on the side of the road. How am I supposed to interpret that? Where does the road end and the sidewalk begin. And im lucky because he didnt kick me? Kick me for a vague rule without even considering a sit. Imagine running a server that way. 

 

Also let me mention that thunder was not on the server at the time, and neither was kaff. 

 

"yea tell him thunder" yeah kiss up to him kaff! add some content to the post or dont post at all.

 

If you cant look at my post without bias, you shouldnt be staff lol.

I was clearly joking but okay

[Gandaladredowox]

Gmod is no joking matter! Break one rule and you're kicked without a warning. Stay vigilant! But yuh, my bad for misinterpreting it.

[Copton Chill]

2 hours ago, Gandaladredowox said:

strictly on the side of the road.

"strictly on the side of the road. "

This sums it up clearly. Maybe he didn't moderate before because he was rp'ing. And you can't say that no one complained because you don't see the tickets. It is RP breaking if hobos are building on the road because they mostly beg on the footpaths. Not to mention it also blocks path of other players. Once again the rules are your one and only warning

[Gandaladredowox]

"strictly on the side of the road. "

This sums it up clearly. My base was on the side of the road, and I am therefore in the right. 

 

Its also funny to me how you failed to address your false claims. You were wrong about the video, you were wrong about damplips rank, and you ignored an entire rule + evidence to defend a staff member which you had bias towards. 

[Copton Chill]

3 minutes ago, Gandaladredowox said:

"strictly on the side of the road. "

This sums it up clearly. My base was on the side of the road, and I am therefore in the right. Must suck to be wrong lol

 

Your base was not in the side of the road. The part which was on the road or above it got deleted. How are we wrong lmao ?

[Gandaladredowox]

Where is the "side" of the road in this image

 

[Voided Out]

1 hour ago, Copton Chill said:

He doesnt even have the rank to do that.

On mbrp, admins and above can edit other players props (toolgun, physgun, etc.)

[Copton Chill]

The sidewalk/footpath . 

PSSSS @Voided Out There's no rank thread for MBRP

[Gandaladredowox]

How can you call the sidewalk "the side of the road" if it's not on the road

 

The sides of a road when it has two lanes like in the server

[Copton Chill]

37 minutes ago, Gandaladredowox said:

How can you call the sidewalk "the side of the road" if it's not on the road

 

The sides of a road when it has two lanes like in the server

I believe you are confusing "side" with lanes. 

[Gandaladredowox]

If im driving down the street and a car is coming towards me, I tend to stick to the side of the road. I dont drive on the sidewalk

[Adolf Fonsi]

Can we please make an actual argument, and not just where the side of the road is? Also, in the video image (if this is gandala's base, shown I'm not sure if it is), that is probably too big and looks like it's just made to annoy.

[Gandaladredowox]

Here's how I understand what you're telling me. I kill a group of people because they're raiding me. It appears in the top right, it looks as if I've committed mass rdm. Should the admin be valid in banning me because it appears to him that I've rdmed? If it only appears that I've broken a rule, is it not the job of the administrator to analyze the situation from the perspective of both parties? How can he truly know that I have broken a rule if he fails to even ask? Should players be punished because of an ignorance? Is that justice?

 

Another thing:

If rules are your only warning, why are players wrong for interpreting them differently from one another? Do you truly expect every player to understand the rules the same way? Imagine joining a server, misinterpreting a rule, getting punished for it, with no explanation. 

"that is probably too big" This is how you interpret it, but how can you say that your interpretation is any better than mine?

[Copton Chill]

2 hours ago, Gandaladredowox said:

Here's how I understand what you're telling me. I kill a group of people because they're raiding me. It appears in the top right, it looks as if I've committed mass rdm. Should the admin be valid in banning me because it appears to him that I've rdmed? If it only appears that I've broken a rule, is it not the job of the administrator to analyze the situation from the perspective of both parties? How can he truly know that I have broken a rule if he fails to even ask? Should players be punished because of an ignorance? Is that justice?

 

Another thing:

If rules are your only warning, why are players wrong for interpreting them differently from one another? Do you truly expect every player to understand the rules the same way? Imagine joining a server, misinterpreting a rule, getting punished for it, with no explanation. 

"that is probably too big" This is how you interpret it, but how can you say that your interpretation is any better than mine?

It does say clearly to only build on the side of the road . What is there to misinterpret ? 

[Gandaladredowox]

3 hours ago, Copton Chill said:

It does say clearly to only build on the side of the road . What is there to misinterpret ? 

What is there to misinterpret? Where "the side" of the road begins and ends.

Nice of you to only ignore all my other arguments though, also nice of you to justify staff abuse.

 

1 hour ago, LevelCake Emerald.gg said:

What's the big deal of this it literally blocks nothing and at the end of the road. 

Exactly, here is the specific spot the base was located.

[Damplips]

I only deleted the parts in the road if you check the video. I had gotten complaints about it so i fixed it.

[Damplips]

Also i don't think if you're pulled over on the side of a freeway in a car, your parked in the middle the street.

 

[Adolf Fonsi]

Just watched the video (only looked at images before because of Despacito), it looks like you are specifically trying to annoy Damplips. Also, again, the base is a bit too big and, again, made to annoy. Honestly, it looks like you were trying to bait him so you can make this report.

[Gandaladredowox]

15 hours ago, Adolf Fonsi said:

Just watched the video (only looked at images before because of Despacito), it looks like you are specifically trying to annoy Damplips. Also, again, the base is a bit too big and, again, made to annoy. Honestly, it looks like you were trying to bait him so you can make this report.

I'm not the one talking in the video, also in the video you can see me building my hobo shack. You stated previously to present an actual argument yet all your arguments are assumptions you've placed as truths. "too big" is subjective and I never received any warning on the size of my base. Made to annoy? How so, how can my base which blocked not a single door be interpreted as an intention to annoy. But again you aren't trying to address the abuse, you are avoiding it using a basis of assumptions.

16 hours ago, Damplips said:

I only deleted the parts in the road if you check the video. I had gotten complaints about it so i fixed it.

Not sure how far logs go back but i'm certain this will be proven wrong. (7/21)

Lets try and debunk this until we have logs:

1: My hobo home was up for about 1-2 hours, and you got multiple complaints? Why did it take so long to act? You were on the entire time. You only acted when provoked.

Because you only acted when provoked this shows immaturity and that you don't take sits unless it pertains to you.

2: My hobo home wasn't blocking any door, any entity, or any pathway. What would someone on the server have to complain about?

3: There are parts of my base not on the road that were deleted too. 

Inb4 this is justified because the props shadow is two inches over the road.

 

Also how can this be a fair justification? If a few people start telling you they were rdmed, is it not your job to obtain evidence before you punish?